just by way of apology

nick55

this is my last posting.
My intention was not to offend anyone, in my last post. it was a reflection. It is not for me to say how we react to our condition, I know how bad the pain can be. my reflection was that the condition may keep us a mental prisoner sometimes, individuals must judge for themselves. .

we are each different. my point was, if one insists saying one cannot do something because of the condition, we may often , create obstacles for ourselves. remember, the body has a direct input from the mind, the body is influenced by the state of mind we are in as the mind is also influenced by the body. here lies the crux of what I am trying to say

this has been my own experience. i cannot say these things apply for everyone that would be very foolish. but it is very easy to underestimate what we are able to do, --again, not all of us, but some of us, depending on our condition.

how often I have hobbled round a shop with a tramadol in me. yet the next few days i am walking again. it would have been easy to sit back content the body is less able to do what it always has done. again this is my own experience.

I know how many suffer, and are definitely unable to do this, each one has a different condition with arthritis, like everything else. it is only we who can judge our abilities here.

like so much else in life we often let our physicality dictate things when the mind, our spirit, should be free. Even amidst the pain and incapacity, our mind spirit can be free, and even during periods of pain we can have this freedom but it takes time and endless practice but is it not better to be free than a prisoner of some physical condition? I don;t mean free to walk jump, climb, I mean to be entrapped by it, in our mind.
herein lies our ultimate freedom.

this is the meaning of what i am saying. Some times I have lain in bed in deep pain , yet simply lying there observing it, and not being conditioned by it.

knowing the pain, though serious and ebbing away, is only pain. this is not being arrogant, merely separating ones mind from the suffering thus the mind is free somewhat of the condition we are in. again as in all things this takes practice but will make us stronger, and far better able to cope with our condition.

try simply observing things simply watch and listen and try to stop identifying with the pain --it is possible and will make you a far happier person better able to cope. I hope this is of help to you. it is no cure but one way of coping better.



so, i do disservice to no one, and hope there is something very positive in what i have said, but please, look at it in its proper context.

I am arrogant at times hubristic maybe, but it is in a kind of gung ho spirit in me, take it as it comes. that is my spirit. for we are not our bodies, and will leave them like some worn out coat one day. i look forward to this.
I hope I have said something helpful to you, please do not take it out of the context it is in, and if it is not resonating with you the please ignore what is said in this post. it is meant as food for thought and to help, others

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that is all

I will say no more, and will depart from this forum and pray you all have a good summer and the warmth take away the pains and aches. it is a merciless condition, and I could say a whole chapter on the above but have said enough,

I will, leave you all now and pray, the pains will cause you less trouble and may even vanish, in the days ahead,
this is my last post,

so, best wishes,

Nick

tandel

delboy wrote:

Strange how you can manage and observe your pain but are unable to take criticism of a very contentious post, leaving is another form of withdrawal from the world much like a lot of us do when in pain.

well i thought i heard it all but this well, :x :x :x if i wanted preaching to i would of gone to church,how patrinicing,every one is diffrent i appriciate that one, but the pain still remains the same for all.i believe u have done the right thing and left this forum.

valval

to each there own if you do not like a post you do not have to read it but even if not very diplomaticly put the way we see our selves makes a lot of difference on how we cope with what is thrown at us

only49

valval wrote:

to each there own if you do not like a post you do not have to read it but even if not very diplomaticly put the way we see our selves makes a lot of difference on how we cope with what is thrown at us

you know what i think all this happens for a reason dont understand why but hey maybe its a test to see what we can put up with, but i belive no one has right to tell another person how to live we are all different good and bad and i think its not how someone looks thats important but how they behave towards others i hope thats sounds ok.

sylvia

woodbon

Hi Nick, I'm not sure what the thing was that upset you so much, but I'm sorry and will miss you. I love people with opinions, because they argue with me, make me think, and sometimes get a new angle on things. I know that you will argue with me, and we often go our own ways, which is good. What a bloody, boring world it would be if we all held the same views. My husband is strong minded and I couldn't bare it not to be so, I'd be gone by now.

Take care, and if you change your mind, I'll be glad!
Lots of love and good wishes, Sue. xxx

woodbon

I've just found the offending post. I'm glad you've not got so much pain as some of the people on here. I wish what you stated was true then I wouldn't be here now. I was an active person walking miles and miles, I mean walking, hill walking in the lake district, using my hands and legs. My work was as a Care Assistant with end stage dementia patients, lots of walking for 7 hour shifts, often no break.

Then I thought I'd pulled a muscle in my thigh, so I carried on and waited for it to go - fine at first but after 7 hours walking, lifting standing etc the pain was so bad I couldn't think straight, my brain was all PAIN... not able to count medication, not my meds, but for others, on the drugs rounds) as only PAIN got though the fog. The end is that I have OA in my hip and spine then. Now its spreading to other joints, yes I do still walk on good days, and do exercises on bad. I hope you don't get as bad as I did before learning, but sticking your head in the sand is not going to make things go away. Sorry, but when/if you reach
that stage of pain no tablet in the world will allow you the freedom. Sue

oneday

I can see some sort of mystical spiritual side to the post in respect of the mind and the body, sort of eastern way of thinking. I did in childbirth try to cut my mind off from the pain which worked for short periods...i havent mastered or been able to do similiar with the old arthur agony though.......