ESA DECLINED
carola
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*%^$ £@%& !!
I went for my ESA 'medical' assessment last week and 5 mins ago received in the post a letter advising that they find me fit to work.
I am so angry I can hardly type.
The Atos 'medical' assessor is [being economical with the truth]. They say I scored zero points eg I can bend or squat to pick up something on the floor? I didn't bend over as I couldn't and the list of [economies of the truth] goes on and on. For 2 days after my 'medical' I was in agony. [Texts amended to prevent defamation]
I cannot believe that all the tax I have paid all my life is squandered on a contract with Atos [text deleted].
Once I have calmed down I shall be organising meetings with my MPs and MSPs, writing to David Cameron, Atos etc and contacting my local paper.
I feel bad enough having to give up work in March, not having a social life and trying to put a brave face on telling myself that once I find the right pill I will get my life back. How dare these penpushers suggest I am lying and belittling my illness. [Text amended]
F5&k them all. They have no idea how much I shall pursue this.
Carol
PS Hope you all having a pain free day
[Text amended by moderator to prevent defamation]
I went for my ESA 'medical' assessment last week and 5 mins ago received in the post a letter advising that they find me fit to work.
I am so angry I can hardly type.
The Atos 'medical' assessor is [being economical with the truth]. They say I scored zero points eg I can bend or squat to pick up something on the floor? I didn't bend over as I couldn't and the list of [economies of the truth] goes on and on. For 2 days after my 'medical' I was in agony. [Texts amended to prevent defamation]
I cannot believe that all the tax I have paid all my life is squandered on a contract with Atos [text deleted].
Once I have calmed down I shall be organising meetings with my MPs and MSPs, writing to David Cameron, Atos etc and contacting my local paper.
I feel bad enough having to give up work in March, not having a social life and trying to put a brave face on telling myself that once I find the right pill I will get my life back. How dare these penpushers suggest I am lying and belittling my illness. [Text amended]
F5&k them all. They have no idea how much I shall pursue this.
Carol
PS Hope you all having a pain free day
[Text amended by moderator to prevent defamation]
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Oh Carol
This is shift!
Really shift
You WILL be ok
you WILL fight back
Photocopy it so you can write all over one copy before you satr though...
You are strong enough to take them on for sure.
Love
Toni xx0 -
All I can say is Keep fighting and I hope you win.
julie pf x0 -
Hi Carol,
Sorry to hear about your xxxx time I have no experience of ATOS -SERS!! but i have read of others !! show them up for what they are and what they have done to you and all the others too!
Be strong and fight the b's to the death!!! Go You and kick them where it hurts the cheek of the so called ' health professionals '
sending you a nice cuppa and a ((())))
Rose x0 -
Thanks Toni and Julie.
From other people's experiences I was expecting to fail the medical or pass it - whatever way you want to look at it, however I did not expect to feel so angry.
Just uncovered a very interesting point. Atos and Benefits People have a crystal ball apparently ..... I should have rec'd ESA assessment rate money on Friday past which means the payment should have been issued on the Wednesday (the day of my medical). However, they did not issue it and have issued me a reduced payment yesterday which I should receive at some point this week.
This leads me to believe that either they have a crystal ball OR that there records showed I was attending a 'medical' on Wednesday and because their policy is to decline first time around they put a stop on it the same day.
Evil, lying creatures that they are.
Carol0 -
Oh hun, I'm disgusted. Take time out to be angry - you need to and it's beter than keeping it all in. When calm and collected, start your campaign. You have the spirit and determination to fight these people and yes, you are right, they will not know what has hit them! DDHave you got the despatches? No, I always walk like this. Eddie Braben0
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Carol, hang on to that anger, it will help you to keep fighting for your rights.
I only know what I read on here about ESA - and it`s all disgraceful! - but I wondered if there is an organisation you can join to help fight this. There are so many people in the same position as you, that it would surely help to fight it en masse. People are now finding they actually have proof that lies are being told.
Why not contact your local press, or radio station? This outrage has to be brought more fully into the public domain.........Good luck........Ange.0 -
Oh Carol....
this is awful :shock:
HOw can they say you are fit for any work....yet a week or so ago you were granted DLA :?: ...high rate wasn't it for mobility; so one section of dwp recognises your level of disability but the other has magical powers and has restored you to perfect health. :?
No wonder you are spitting feathers :x
you fight them girl...and if I get the same rubbish in an envelope tomorrow I'll be fighting them too. :!:
take time to gather your thoughts and the information you need....as DD said...vent your anger elsewhere..and go back at them cool, calm, organised and determined.
remember too to use the sticky 'Disability Benefits Consultation' at the top of the LWA page to tell them of your experience with this fiasco of an assessment model.
(so sorry Carol this has been the outcome for you :roll: )
Iris xxx0 -
DD and Ange
Thank you for your messages. Yes, you are right. I shall use today and tomorrow for information gathering, submitting my letter of appeal so ESA assessment rate is reinstated, making appointments with local MPs, obtaining name of Atos @medical assessor' for my report etc and then hopefully I will have calmed down a bit and can then contact the local paper who love campaigns like this. Don't relish the prospect of my face and name in the paper about this however I need to fight this not only for myself but for the people who are declined and do not have the fight left in them to do this.
Keep smiling, Carol0 -
I'm dreading the letter falling through the letterbox. :roll:
will let you know how I get on.
Iris x
I seem to have taken on your ID...haven't a clue how that happened!
gremlins at work
Iris0 -
Rose
Many thanks for the cuppa.
I had a cup of camomile tea of all things in my hand when I opened the ESA letter and threw it against the wall when I read it so needed a replacement!
Thanks again.
Carol0 -
Hi Iris
That is weird you taking on my ID icon thing.
It must be 'cos I am so angry I am taking over everyone's minds and identity!
Try not to dread getting your letter - you are in Glasgow area, aren't you? Maybe it'll be a case of West beats East (I am in Edinburgh) and you will be fine. I hope so.
Positive thoughts.
Carol0 -
Carol,
I am so sorry and I know exactly how you feel. I have been through the same thing only mine was DLA. I am in Glasgow and all I can say is that the ATOS through here are awful. The whole medical and I use that term loosely was degrading.
I have lost my tribunal and just sent off a whole load of letters. Iris gave me some good advice about official complaint to DWP, which I will follow up on.
Don't give up the fight.
Anne0 -
Thanks for your message Anne.
How are you getting on with your complaints?
Let me know how you progress and good luck.
Carol0 -
Hi Carol
I can understand your anger at ATOS. I went through similar with them. I was on incapacity benefit and was called for a "medical" with ATOS to see if I was still entitled to it. I scored 19 points so passed the criteria for incapacity benefit but the DLA used the same report to deny me DLA. I requested a copy of the report and the amount of items that were totally untrue stretched to a five page complaint. When I spoke to ATOS they told me that the report would not be changed whether I complained or not! I was told that I "could not question the Drs opinion". I told them thats not what I wanted to question, it was the answers I had given him had not been recorded correctly on the report. Basically I said black and he wrote down white. So thats that. Told by ATOS nothing can be done. Spoke to DLA who say they used this report, end of story. Spoke to the Incapacity People who had paid for the "medical" and they said I was in a catch 22 position. I had scored 19 points thats 4 over the required amount for IB so they cannot do anything either. Its absolutely awful. Cameron wants to save money then he should close all the tax loopholes and stop picking on the people who really need help. I eventually got DLA after appealing and waiting 11 months but only the lowest care element and no mobility. Here we go again I need help to get dressed and cant cook myself a meal but can nip out to the shops on my own, I wish.
Please dont give up I think that everyone that has a medical should get a copy of the report and highlight all the errors then send copies to ATOS, DLA, their MP, the Health Minister and David Cameron. One of them would eventually get fed up having to reply to the thousands of people sending them reports, maybe then they would take us seriously.
If Cameron is wanting to save money maybe he should try saving it by terminating the contract with ATOS. Ask all disabled people to sit on these appeal boards, similar to jury duty, then the people who deserve ESA, IB, DLA etc would not have to go through this disgusting practice and the people who are trying to fiddle the system would be caught.
My thoughts and best wishes are with you.
Regards
Trisha0 -
Hi Trisha
Many thanks for your message and support. I was the other way around. Rec'd DLA no bother 1st time applied.
Still trying to calm down and busily scribbling my lists of people to contact. Cab office constantly ringing out though. Going to jobcentre shortly to fax letter of appeal to the right department. Have said in letter I am appealing and upon receipt of Report I will write to them with points of disagreement. They hadn't even contacted my GP or Rheumy for reports!
So sorry to hear about the hard time you have been getting.
I will battle on and see where it gets us.
Thanks again and all the best, Carol0 -
Aha, have arranged to meet x2 MPs to discuss this.
Let the battle commence!0 -
OMG this is so sad especially what we all go through with pain and disablement because of arther, I wish they would take arther more seriously it takes it all from us, we cry we stumble we fight for our rights and it all adds to our problems, why do that to disabled people its so sad and cruel, I get DLA middle care low mobility for an indefinate period, right now I know I can just about cope with SMA and other illnesses inc spondelothesis they can actually see the dent in my spine, surely DRs can just say yes or they doubt you are entitled to this benefit or that, makes more sense then someone who is unaware of your problems I am carrying my stick with me recently as both my right ankle and back is playing up bad and with ALL my joints affected I wonder what they can say to me , probably that I can run jump or walk a mile ( if only) :x0
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Carol
I am so sorry you have been refused too. I think this has to be the worst ever system to be brought in by a government since the poll tax of the 80s-90s.....
Get in touch with Citizens Advice of Community Legal Advice and your benefits are reinstated as soon as you appeal, thats what im doing.......Im personally going to print off everyone's stories to take to my tribunal....I mean how come you qualify for DLA Higher Rate but not the precious ESA.....
I think ESA should stand for Entitled to **** All!!!!!
Elainex0 -
Hi Carola
Sorry to hear about how you have been treated. Glad that you are using all that anger to fight it, but don't wear yourself out. One day at a time. The system seems so unfair.
Take care
Fayann xx0 -
Nice one, elainebadknee! That made me smile. DDHave you got the despatches? No, I always walk like this. Eddie Braben0
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Hi Carola
If I type on here what I think, I will get thrown off.
We need somebody on our side, Its disgusting how they can come out with theses lies.
The government are taking it out of us, because of there miss management, and there wheeling and dealing.
You keep on fighting , you owe it to yourself and others
Good Luck
Love
Barbara xxLove
Barbara0 -
Barbara, Elaine, Leann and LavenderLady
Many thanks for your support and messages.
I love Elaine's ESA - Entitled to **** All
My topic header has changed ie Atos are liars has been taken off?!
I don't mind 'slandering' Atos as they have slandered me by branding ME a liar.
Carol0 -
Carol
You must be spitting feathers at this insane decision!! I know you will appeal and get it but why should you have to go such lengths to get the benefit that you are entitled to?
I think people who are already have DLA should automatically receive ESA, we have had to jump so many hoops to get DLA and it is not given out lightly. Our cases for DLA go before a board of decision makers so surely that should be enough???
Try to get some sleep tonight if you can. You are no good to anyone tired especially yourself as you've got a long battle ahead..
We are ALL WITH YOU ON THIS CAROL
Janie x :x0 -
Thanks for your message Janie and apologies to Fayann - I called you Leeann!
Feeling a bit calmer now as have taken some action:
Have made x2 appointments with MPs.
Have emailed also my local MP, Alex Salmond & Nicola Sturgeon at Scottish Parliament and also David Cameron.
Have contacted x2 Reporters who are currently investigating ESA and Atos here in Scotland and also requested a copy of the contract between DWP and Atos via Freedom of Information Act.
My hands are so sore and swollen now with typing that I will need to stop for the day however tomorrow will keep trying to contact local CaB office and Atos complaints procedures about the inaccurate reporting.
Oh happy days - not. I just cannot sit here and moan without doing something about this.
Hope you all have a decent sleep tongight.
Carol0 -
Wow, well done Carol. I can`t tell you how much I admire your fighting spirit. A girl after my own heart!!
Rest awhile now, and re-group.........Ange.x.0
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