money buys health ?

daylily

Just reading story about Micheal Douglas with his throat cancer.
Apparently it was missed by Docs for quite a while.
I always assumed that health care was better if you had money.
Catherine Zeta is understandably hopping mad.
Life's a lottery all round it would appear

mellman01

I have it and it's not all it's cracked up to be trust me, I am a great believer in the dear old NHS always will be, the one good thing Labour did was inject(no pun intended) a decent amount of cash into it it's just a shame the managers got their hands on most of it.

daylily

mellman01 wrote:

I have it and it's not all it's cracked up to be trust me, I am a great believer in the dear old NHS always will be, the one good thing Labour did was inject(no pun intended) a decent amount of cash into it it's just a shame the managers got their hands on most of it.

That's the way of the world.
Look at all the money given in AID abroad, only a tiny fraction gets to the people that need it, that's why I don't give as a rule.

dreamdaisy

Docs are only human. Of course they miss things and they probably did this time because, if MD is anything like my dad (who died from cancer 'cos he kept telling everyone he was OK) he never told the docs exactly what was going on.

I had to smile when it was announced that Phil Mickelson (golfer) had 'suddenly' been afflicted by PA: he has straight away gone onto an anti TNF treatment. None of this 'try these useless drugs first, and when after a certain number of years we know they don't work THEN you can have an anti TNF' malarkey that we get. Oooh, where did that come from? Jealous? Moi? Bien sur. He's still walking and playing golf. No sticks for Mr M. (Just you wait, sunshine, just you wait.) DD

frogmorton

Throat cancer is a difficult one really I think it can be ast and mimics and ordinary sore throat to start with.

I hate cancer.

Love

Toni xx

julie47

my father-in-law died in 2001 of throat cancer, age 71 he at first thought it was sore throats. It was my sister-in-law was a nurse and new about these things made him go to dr.

He went through hell for 5 years op after op and trackotomy. (cant spell it)

I hate cancer too.

juliepf x

daylily

frogmorton wrote:

Throat cancer is a difficult one really I think it can be ast and mimics and ordinary sore throat to start with.

I hate cancer.

Love

Toni xx

HI. ME TOO.
MUM AND DAD DIED OF CANCER WITHIN 9 MONTHS OF EACH OTHER
NURSED THEM BOTH TILL END

julie47

oh dear thats really sad

how awful

juliepf x

livinglegend

Money doesn't buy health, but it most certainly buys the best, fastest treatment.

Joseph 8)

joanlawson

That is true, Joseph. When I first asked for a referral to a consultant, I would have had to wait 8 weeks for an appointment on the NHS. I was in a lot of pain, so decided to consult him privately. Then I saw him within a couple of days. It seems unfair, when it is the same consultant, but that's life, I suppose.

trisher

I saw very recently an Australian hospital on TV.

This girl had PA and she had come out in the rash that ou can get. I have been diagnosed with that and wanted to see the programme.

This poor woman had the rash everywhere her face body arms legs. She looked dreadful.

This doctor said she had the worse case they had ever seen. Well he told her about this new treatment. He gave her an injection and she went home with a different injection she had to do herself everyday.

They showed her a couple of weeks later and her skin was back to normal.

Why have we not got this treatment over here? I just cannot believe the people in this country who have it but they have never heard of this treatment. Why???

Trish xxxx

livinglegend

Very often there is a real difference in speed of treatment.

I needed a steroid jab in my shoulder some years ago. The choice was eight months wait on the NHS or I could pay. As soon as I said, "Pay", the consultant pushed the treatment trolley across to me and jabbed a needle into the shoulder joint. Job done.

Joseph 8)

joanlawson

Hi Trisher

We often seem behind other countries with new drugs. I think it often comes down to money. The thing I find so unfair is the postcode lottery, where some treatments are available in some areas and not others. It should be exactly the same wherever you live.

livinglegend

Trish

The answer is that we have an over-paid quango whose job it appears is to block the use of all life-saving or life-improving drugs, it is called NICE. They won't accept any treatment or drugs if not tested for many years in the UK, no matter that they are already successfully tested or used abroad for many years. By unnecessary retesting in the UK, drugs also become far too costly and thus are blocked again for economic reasons.

Shame on them, as this has put us up to 10 years behind in some modern treatments.

Joseph 8)

joanlawson

I always think it should be renamed NASTY instead of NICE :!:

daylily

livinglegend wrote:

Very often there is a real difference in speed of treatment.

I needed a steroid jab in my shoulder some years ago. The choice was eight months wait on the NHS or I could pay. As soon as I said, "Pay", the consultant pushed the treatment trolley across to me and jabbed a needle into the shoulder joint. Job done.

Joseph 8)

that's absolutely dreadful.
not you getting jab of course but the wait if you hadn't paid

tkachev

joanlawson wrote:

Hi Trisher

We often seem behind other countries with new drugs. I think it often comes down to money. The thing I find so unfair is the postcode lottery, where some treatments are available in some areas and not others. It should be exactly the same wherever you live.

Good for you Joseph but also how awful! I am interesed to know how much but obviously you dont have to tell us as it is a personal question.

Elizabeth

frogmorton

livinglegend wrote:

Very often there is a real difference in speed of treatment.

I needed a steroid jab in my shoulder some years ago. The choice was eight months wait on the NHS or I could pay. As soon as I said, "Pay", the consultant pushed the treatment trolley across to me and jabbed a needle into the shoulder joint. Job done.

Joseph 8)

That is outragious!!!!!!!!

The stuff was THERE!!

Glad you could afford it though Joseph.

Love

Toni xx

tkachev

My apologies Joseph. How much it cost is not the point. I shouldn't have asked that question.

Elizabeth

angie1973

My father too died of throat cancer. Although he beat the devil the first round, it got him the second time round. He was only 60, never smoked, didn't drink, eat fairly well, and was fit as anything climbing up ladders all day.

Shouldn't have happened to someone like him. MD for however much I respect the man, is a heavy smoker and it's a risk factor. I hope that he gets the treatment he needs and recovers fully. I hope he sees this as an opportunity to think about his future with his wife and maybe quit the cigs and hope he can keep the devil at bay.

It's one of the reasons I gave up smoking. I saw what my father went through having given no encouragement to getting cancer and thought, jeez, here am I 20-30 a day smoker, maybe I should think about it.

I did, for ages, then when my husband decided he wanted to, I decided I would, if he lasted the week. He lasted 5 days, but I gave up anyway, and 2 years on, it's the best thing I ever did from how I feel.

I had a permanent smokers cough, and if I got a cold, well, that was even worse. No cough at all now. My hubby still smokes, and I don't mind at all, it's his right to do as he wishes as it is for any smoker etc.

But you are right, money usually does get you the treatment faster. I went for physio and was told it was a 12 week wait. Doesn't sound so bad but when your neck is in so much pain you can't move it, and the headaches so bad you can't think, you will try anything. I paid private, what a difference it was! I thought I had died and greeted at the pearly gates....

Ange..

dreamdaisy

My first husband's grandfather smoked 40 a day for over 70 years. He died at the age of 95 - the only reason given was old age. Lungs healthy, (he never coughed, never had bronchitis, rarely caught a cold), his heart was healthy, (BP well-within the normal range for a man of his age) but he did complain of feeling tired the night before he died. One has no idea of what will get you. Jim Fixx died of heart failure/heart attack whilst out jogging: he 'invented' jogging trying to prevent such an outcome. That plan backfired, somewhat. DD

tonesp

Yes Money does buy health You can buy good quality healthy food You do not have to eat poor stuff full of fat and additives Throat cancer is something else Did He Smoke? The poorest amongst us need that escape

dreamdaisy

I think I have to disagree with you, tonesp. Health is a gift at birth. If you come from good, healthy stock the chances are that you will be basically healthy, no matter what you inflict upon your body. It must be a nice thing to have, and to feel, but those that do don't value it, take no notice of it and don't appreciate it. I like it when they learn the hard way, it's my little revenge upon the world! DD

angel1

I like it when they learn the hard way, it's my little revenge upon the world! DD[/quote]

That`s one of the saddest things I`ve ever read........Ange.

dreamdaisy

As I said del, 'the chances are'. It's not guaranteed. As Mr O Wilde stated, the only guarantees in life are taxes and death.

If my little comment is the saddest thing you've ever read ange, then that isn't too bad. I would suggest there are far worse opinions, thoughts and ideas out there in the big wide world. DD

angel1

"One of the" saddest DD.

And, given the job I do, and the fact that I have been in this "big wide world" some considerable time now, I still feel extremely saddened, as is my right.