Pedantic

tonesp

Am I being pedantic or is it righteous anger I get so mad when people misuse words and phrases The proof is in the Pudding NO IT'S NOT The proof of the pudding is in the eating.When you go shopping in a Bazaar in another country you must barter NO NO You must BARGAIN Bartering is goods for goods or services for services.Any more or am I on My own :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

valval

sorry but to be honest have great problems with the written word but do love the word pedantic one of my faves.
also intoxicated by the exuberance of there own bobosity (sorry about spellings)

robertls

Its no good shutting the stable door, in a round hole......

Rob x

dreamdaisy

I am a hare's breath away from agreeing with you . . .

Another thing is tautology: reduce down, combine together, raise up, sink down etc etc etc as opposed to what? Reducing up? Combining separately? Raising down? Sinking up? NO. Reduce, combine, raise and sink. One word is enough. DD

wooly-monkey

Hello everyone, I am new here and am a bit frightened to answer but couldn't resist
Thanking you for making me laugh so much although I do have some
sympathy with the "poster" as I was brought up very strictly and got a whack over the back of the head if I didn't speak or write correctly.
Reading this gave me instant flash backs! Thanks
Wooly-monkey

robertls

tautology DD......

as oppose to slackology?????

Rob x

angel1

Welcome Wooly,

Just jump in, and make your contributions.

I was thinking much the same as you. I was educated at a convent, and pedantic wouldn`t come close, when describing the nuns. I still shake a hundred years later!......Ange.x.

mellman01

You have a point I never really thought of it before but I would say you haggle and barter is trading good for goods, language does evolve but what is my top bug bear is how people speak in London, a lot of them talk through there noses and drop letters and also replace T for H and so on, top hates are

Old new
1)Month Mumf
2)Isn't it init
3)Thing fing
4)Thought fawt
5)Because coz
6)What wot
7)didn't dih'unt
8)The vu
9)Thanks fanks
10)This vis
11)That vat

Right spleen drained now where did I put that bottle of gin???

annie_mial

Oh, Ange.................I was taught at a small C of E school. Headmaster was Teacher and Teacher had a ruler and a cane!

Annie

trisher

Mell

Wa that not a bottle of grin

Trish

dreamdaisy

Estuary English, the bane of my life. Fir'y free fin wimmin sittin onna fatched roof. It is not that hard to correctly elucidate /th/, /f/ and /v/, but people are losing that skill, fanks to the ever-spreading plague of lazy speech. No, there are not twelve 'mumps' in a year, this mumpf is not 'Novembah', nor is next mumpf 'Decembah', I do not have a 'sistah' nor a 'bruvvah'. Oops: broken so many rules. :oops:

I spend my professional life trying to rectify these errors, and more. I must admit that I am now not sure why I bother - oh sorry, 'bovvah'. I fink I hav ter giv in to the fakt that it duzznt mattah. As long as peepel now wot I am sayin. Rite? Das wot ma'ahs. DD

PS My apologies Rob, a splendid riposte! I must remembah slackology - it fits the bill, oh sorry, fit's the bill. Howzat, tonesp? (I bet you have a problem with the greengrocers' apostrophe too!)

I think - sorry - fink I am banned now.

joanlawson

Some phrases can become very irritating eg, when people say ''at the end of the day'' every other sentence.

Also "the fact of the matter is". The fact of the matter is that it rarely is the actual fact of the matter. It is usually just the speaker's own opinion.

Another one is "to be honest". What does it mean? Are you normally dishonest then? Or "to be fair" which is invariably followed by a biased and utterly unfair comment.

"I'm not being funny but..." is usually followed by a critical remark, so no, you're not being at all funny. You're just being very irritating.

"Lessons will be learned" is a favourite comment of politicians or people in authority when things go wrong, but the lessons are rarely learned.

Joan

daylily

My pet hates
'You know what I mean' at the end of every sentence
and
'On my mother's/wife's/son's life'
It's a horrible thing to say

tjt6768

my dear tones, you have truly found an ally in me.. My Wife gets very angry when I start correcting people, especially when they are on the tv and cannot hear my rantings! My real real pet hate is the thing that even the news readers and weather men/women say.. More sunny, more tough..more healthy, more this that and the other...
Aaaarggghhh... It's sunnier, tougher, healthier, it's not difficult. I think it's an anti Royalist plot to get rid of the ER in everything.....

:x
Tony

tonesp wrote:

Am I being pedantic or is it righteous anger I get so mad when people misuse words and phrases The proof is in the Pudding NO IT'S NOT The proof of the pudding is in the eating.When you go shopping in a Bazaar in another country you must barter NO NO You must BARGAIN Bartering is goods for goods or services for services.Any more or am I on My own :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

cebeem

Mel the current thinking in the world of Speech and Language Therapy ...is that these errors that you mention (as we think of them) in speech are not to be corrected as they are
regional or evolutional /anomalies...frustrating though it is for those of us that deal with reading, writing, listening and speaking.....looks like this take on words are here to stay! Making the whole world of teaching anything to do with language/literacy that tad more difficult!

tjt6768

I think grammar should be one of the most important things taught in school...

Tony

joanlawson

tjt6768 wrote:

I think grammar should be one of the most important things taught in school...

Tony

It is important, but there has to be a balance. If there is too much emphasis on grammar, it can stifle the creative use of language, and it can cause children to lose confidence if they are constantly corrected for grammar mistakes.

frogmorton

dreamdaisy wrote:

Estuary English, the bane of my life. Fir'y free fin wimmin sittin onna fatched roof. It is not that hard to correctly elucidate /th/, /f/ and /v/, but people are losing that skill, fanks to the ever-spreading plague of lazy speech. No, there are not twelve 'mumps' in a year, this mumpf is not 'Novembah', nor is next mumpf 'Decembah', I do not have a 'sistah' nor a 'bruvvah'. Oops: broken so many rules. :oops:

II think - sorry - fink I am banned now.

"Fir'y five fasand feet!" Still quote this phrase I once heard on Tv

Well done you lot - great thread and welcome woolly monkey

Love

Toni xx

dreamdaisy

Grammar, tho important, is not that relevant to expression: vocabulary is. One of the most common phrases one hears around today is 'It does my head in.' What are you telling me, when you say that? Are you bewildered, puzzled, confused, perplexed, distracted? Are you peeved, vexed, irritated, angry, irate? Are you bothered, flummoxed, upset? Or none of the above? If you do not have the words to express how you feel, all the correct commas, full stops and apostrophes won't help. We have one of the richest languages in the world but the average vocabulary ranges from between 650 - 850 words, the language contains a million. It does my head in. DD

robertls

My most annoying 'thigy'......

hun..............aarrrgggghhhhh!!!!.

What are you saying??

That I'm a member of the emeny (as in the great war)......

Hun............'that really gets on my ti**'........err....you know...

and what does that mean

'You get on my ti**'...........

Rob x

joanlawson

... granmmar mistakes.


Is that an aged relative peeing themselves?

Thanks Del. Now corrected.

frogmorton

Rob Hun...

Ro..ob??!!

I don't like hunning either.

joanlawson

rehab44 wrote:

I rote a really gud reply to all this and it got lost!

You always rite really gud, so don't wury about yor gramer. I no wot you mean anyway.

carola

Some people are good with words and some people are not and believe that it is the sentiment behind it that matters.

speedalong

Hi Tonysp,

what really annoys me are the silly sayings that my boss comes out with. When he speaks he just says them one after the other ... I don't think he even knows what they mean.

Now wracking my brains for some examples, a typical conversation would be about as meaningful as this;

“At the end of the day it’s in the lap of the gods and the bottom line is as we are thinking outside of the box we must keep everyone in the loop and with all things being equal, keep a single point of contact…”
And then as he has nothing else to say …he just repeats it all over again …”At the end of the day …”

He loves terminology - or "buzz words" as he would no doubt call them.

Instead of referring to parents and staff - he would say "stakeholders"
and instead of is/isn't common knowledge - he would talk about "the public domain."

Speedy

mirabella

OH!MY!MY! Well you have now made me so nervous about typing on this forum I know all the correct grammer I was taught at school,many yeas ago has been sitting on a shelf somewhere at the back of my mind along with all other subjects the teachers worked so hard to drill into our brains,have been gathering dust.45yrs ago I knew the difference between--there--their---they're and all the other words which :?: sound the same but have different meanings :? During my quiet little life have never really found the opportunity to use this knowledge to its full potentional or indeed need to.I have got by Brought up 2 children,made sure that they learned everything and are both now successfull in their :?: chosen careers.I myself have always managed to hold down a job that I have loved doing.I agree on the fact that I cannot stand that the young people today expect you to understand the texts and facebook messages that come across,they have a whole new English language of their :?: own.For me I am going to put it down to the sticky keys on this keyboard.I am sorry that I don't come across as being litarate :?: but I just type what I think Mirabella