Re:surgeon speaky no English

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mellman01
mellman01 Member Posts: 5,306
edited 6. Jan 2011, 15:30 in Living with Arthritis archive
Hi all so can anyone tell me what full cartlidge thickness damamge means and also what does sub chonderal stress damage changes also mean in regards to OA of the kneecaps?, a calculated guess by me would say it means the cartlidge damage is down to the bone layer and this (bone) layer is also showing signs of wear and damage due to use but I'm no expert so over to you guy's and galls!. x:?:

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  • dreamdaisy
    dreamdaisy Member Posts: 31,520
    edited 30. Nov -1, 00:00
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    Right, I am not a doc either mell but the first one, full cartilage etc sounds as tho the whole of the thickness has been damaged/compromised, so yes, down to the bone. Ouch. As for the second, well it must be connected to further damage to the cartilage: sub means under, but I am not sure about the 'chonderal' - right, I've looked at that, it refers to cartilage/bones too. Chonderal defect means there is a crater in the gristle or hyaline cartilage at the end of the bone, usually caused by a blow or impact of some description, or perhaps OA in your case. I AM NOT A DOC, mell, I don't know, I am trying to help - I think he is confirming damage to your joint/s, by whatever cause, but I could be wrong. I often am. DD
    Have you got the despatches? No, I always walk like this. Eddie Braben
  • mellman01
    mellman01 Member Posts: 5,306
    edited 30. Nov -1, 00:00
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    Thanks DD you should change your name to Doctordreamdaisy or DDD!.

    Oh and sorry but I got it slightly wrong DD, the letter says and I qoute, the problems lie with the back of both kneecaps, there is full thickness cartilage loss here and subchondral stress changes in effect the scans are in keeping with the clinicle picture of chonderal damage!.

    It's all geek to me DD! :roll:
  • dreamdaisy
    dreamdaisy Member Posts: 31,520
    edited 30. Nov -1, 00:00
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    Right, an un-educated guess is this: you have lost full patches of cartilage behind your kneecaps and there is further damage to cartilage due to this and other stresses. The scans show this damage, this reflects the clincal picture of what you are reporting to them. Does that help? Me no speaky doctor either! DD
    Have you got the despatches? No, I always walk like this. Eddie Braben
  • frogmorton
    frogmorton Member Posts: 29,489
    edited 30. Nov -1, 00:00
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    Hi mell

    Oh that sounds scary whatever it is :shock:

    I googled it to the best of my ability it sounds like what you think. What does that mean then? Is it the OA? is it the knees? :sad:

    LOve

    toni xx
  • mellman01
    mellman01 Member Posts: 5,306
    edited 30. Nov -1, 00:00
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    It bloody hurts is all I can say Toni, yeah back of kneecaps it is.
  • speedalong
    speedalong Member Posts: 3,315
    edited 30. Nov -1, 00:00
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    Nothing to add to Dr DD and Dr Frogmorton's interpretations.

    MOre to the point, did the doc say what he was going to do about it?

    Speedy
    I have had OA since mid twenties. It affects my hips and knees. I had a THR on the left aged 30 and now have a resurface-replacement on the right - done May 2010.