The Protesters outside St Pauls

alanthemanc

Now I don't want to get into a debate on wether they are right or wrong, but the Clergy are in the middle of a bit of a predicament.
According to the Bible, Jesus chased the Tax collectors out of town, and was generally on the side of the poor.
This means, how can the Priests, etc, be on the side of the bankers. Maybe it's because they don't want to lose the £ 14.50p it costs to get into St Pauls ( rip off ).
I bet the Dean of St Pauls is on about £80.000 a year or so, and the Anglican church is worth millions, if not a billion. So much for helping the poor eh. Wot do you think. Alanthemanc ( Atheist)

Airwave!

Entering a church, to pray or enjoy the masonry or the history of the place are legal and valid reasons by payment or otherwise, if a group of protesters are stopping you then the law should be involved whether it includes action or not.

dreamdaisy

How can they afford to do this? I wonder how many are using their annual leave to camp up there? To my way of thinking these so-called 'protestors' are probably fortunate that they can rely on a state income (which comes as a result of others efforts) which means they can spend their days causing disruption. They may have a point but I, alas, cannot go and joint them as I would miss earning the small sums of money which I need to pay my way. If their protest is aimed at the bankers etc then why aren't they outside the Bank of England, or Barclay's HQ or whatever? I've been listening to some of them on the radio today - ye gods, not a choherent thought or argument amongst them: just why do they need to establish an education centre for children? A water cannon at two in the morning should do the trick. DD

mellman01

Dear old Jesus and his dad say they don't like money lenders and rich me are kind of not wanted in Heaven yet the board of governors for this house of worship have several bankers on it odd that?.
Be it the church at a higher level or banks at any level it's really all about cash, the church is very wealthy and that has effected the judgement of the higher ups in the church so we get a disjointed opinion message.
Those priests who have reigned have a better moral compass than their bosses.
The protesters are making a valid point, it's ironic that we are a always crowing about how were the bastion of "free speech" but as soon as some dirty people who have a bit of humanity and morality show up to complain about the total daylight robbery and pure greed of the banks that have not only wreaked our banking system and also stiffed us and our kids right up by getting us in massive debt just so they can still have their and our cake and carry on eating it like so many bloated pigs.
Then we get people with power but no names faces and souls threatening to set the dogs (MET) on them with as much regard as a Canadian seal culler has for a seal pup, talk about tolerance!.
And all because they "gasp" dared to pitched up on a small area of pavement in front of a church that's sadly corrupt in the deep core, and has sadly so far allowed the ones who count the pennies call the shots, and in doing so ironically they have gone totally against the top man's teachings own goal or what!?.
As for the protesters I don't care if their smelly or a bit fringe at least they are making a stand against a system that is bent broken heartless and has no shame, and one which we are all being forced to support with massive amounts of state cash borrowed in all our names, the capitalists AKA Thatcher and the banks always liked to remind us state sponsored industry is inefficient and needs to be sold off ASAP, reality is it's so they could make a profit by picking through the left overs with no concern to the communities that were destroyed when they get their way, yet oddly as soon as they wreak their industry, the bastion or the free market grab it and s**g culture by unchecked greed and utter stupidity what's the first thing they do?, hold out their grubby souless hands for huge levels of state aid!, the very thing they supposedly utterly despise!?? , b***y parasites and thieves, it's true when they say their is no sentiment in business theirs no guilt or remorse either.
we should have at least left some of the banks to fall/fail, it's what the banks do when a business gets in the deep cack, if you don't do so you'll just be supporting a failed model/system that will only find another way to rip us all off and mess up again in another 10 years or so. Darwin should apply to the banks as it does to all other businesses.
Not to worry though as soon as Greece defaults and comes out of the EU thus bringing Italy crashing down and then Portugal with it and just maybe the whole EU as well these people will be forgotten, well by most of us.

mellman01

Yeah but at least their moral compass is still working Len, their not being violent so they should not be threaten'd with violence just because they have a valid point, something our politicians seem to like to meeter out on anyone or state they simply disagree with and or dislike. They seem more than keen to tell us violence solves nothing in one breath but then set the dogs on people to get their way.
Ironically they have far more chance of "making a difference" now as the church have invited them to form a pressure group to try and bring back some sort of morality and common sense to the banking system.
that's not bad for a bunch so called smelly kids sitting in tents outside a church in London.. At least they have made a difference if only slight, it's better to try than to stand aside and do nothing other than look down on them but up at the very system and bankers who've robbed us all blind, and who still have their snouts in the trough with you I and our kids having to pick up the tab for their continued gluttony.

The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich. Consequently, the modern poor are not pitied...but written off as trash. The twentieth-century consumer economy has produced the first culture for which a beggar is a reminder of nothing. ~John Berger

valval

if they not there at night why do they not take the empty tents and send to some where that needs more tents. should they be allowed to disrupt others well no. should a church charge to enter no. the congrigation raised the money to build these churches etc so they belong to the people not the church so to charge people to enter there own building a bit off. bankers will not even go there but if there is a god i would not like to be in there shoes come judgment day val

alanthemanc

Mell
Well put, couldn't have put it better. A well balanced bit of writing that.Alanthemanc

alanthemanc

The quote JUDAS PRIEST, is quite apt in these circumstances. Alanthemanc

alanthemanc

Rehab
From what I can gather, the St Pauls passage leads directly to the main bankers district, and they have to walk past them every morning . I saw a VERY shifty looking banker in a bowler hat nearly trip over a tent. Alanthemanc

valval

good points del it not religion that at fault but those in places of power who are corrupted into thinking they are more important than the work they carry out val

mellman01

I don’t really care about the protesters at the church I don’t know who they are but I admire them for at least making a fuss shows their not ready to let the Orwellian state system crush their spirit like they have most of us, anyway if that’s the only social ills we face then I think it’s a healthy sign, the big problem here is our political and financial system are fatally flawed.
Think of it a an ecosystem in an economic ocean, big fish (multinationals & Banks) are impressive and our politicians love them as they get jolly’s kickback junkets and a job on the board if they get voted out, small business sadly get f all due to their size and don’t or can’t brown nose our political elite as they just don’t have the cash that buys them the access to the power that’s there but their sheer weight of numbers keep the ecosystem and the bigger fish well fed.
However in any sea it’s not the big fish that drive the ecosystem they are just the result of the all that supports them from below.
Small business are the key here, if we destroy them by cutting off economic assistance as the banks are doing now then as we are seeing unfold the whole economic ecosystem at a cellular level will stagnate and die off, our financial sea is already become stagnant and will die if were not responsive to change, subsequently if it does then the larger fish will simply move to oceans where they can still feed. We really need to look down rather than up, we need to go the way of high tech small adaptive companies, ironically you get more tax from them as they can’t bank off shore to avoid paying it unlike the bigger fish, big is not always beautiful and some of them were and are sharks who simply kill all they encounter, Thatcher was probably the worst one of all and some of what’s going on now is the hangover from the last ELI she caused in the 1980’s.(ELI is extinction level event). She was a mega apex predator and happily swam around ripping the hearts out of many working communities for sport, she missed no one, from the welsh mine to the Northern industries normally no one was totally immune once she’d past through their communities slowly fell apart, many never recovered the pride they had, Mr T missed a key point, profit is not always the be all and end all, strong working class communities had a strong social ethic there was less crime and better health so what if they made slightly less profit they were social rich unlike big business which is devoid of any empathy.

frogmorton

The world is balance again

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wannabewriter

I think the point of them being outside St Paul’s is actually a result of misdirection – literally. They are trying to occupy LSX (London Stock Exchange) which is about 200 feet away. So, the St Paul’s occupation isn’t because of religion really, it’s because they couldn’t find the LSX. Really and truly, that’s why they set up there to being with.

Now, of course, religion is being brought into it, inevitably. Each to their own I say, but using religion for some kind of cheap media-heart-strings ‘what would Jesus do’ trick on BOTH sides is wrong and completely misses the point of the initial occupation.

I have mixed feelings about them. They are trying to ‘stick it to the man’ but in doing so have often undermined their point entirely (the fact they couldn’t even find where they were supposed to be pitching up suggests a strong case for a full on nanny state! *joke * )