swine flu

debbierose

hello all
received a ohone call from gp today to ask if i'd go and have the swine flu jab I've said yes but then thought will it make me ill,
are there side effects with mtx and vacs

I'm going to a Ball on Friday so don't know if I should cancel and have the jab when i come back.

any ideas please on what I shoud do and have you all had yours yet.

Wonkylegs

as I understand it, the only vaccines that those of us taking MTX have to avoid are the ones which are 'live' and I would be surprised if the swine flu one would be in this group.

certainly I have not been ill after having the normal seasonal flu jab (do you have that one too?)

Haven't been called for the swine flu jab yet, but will be having it when I can.

mike77

I was down at my health centre today for the flu jab , she had me booked in for the swine jab too , I asked the nurse was it ok she said yes , I asked if there is any sign effects she said fevish, sorehead and arm is a bit sore , I said can you put the swine jab in left arm along with the flu jab she said not in the same day but wanted to use my right arm , I told her my arm is painful; enough so just got flu jab in left arm , I will think about the swine flu jab at the end of month but she said as you have diabetess you need it.

I am not getting it in my right arm , the flu jab is making my arm sore and my head is sore but I think it will pass tomorrow ( I hope so )

hazel is in two minds to take it are not if she is offered it , she does not get the flu jab as gp told her she is nor entiled to it :?: :?: :?: :?:
Mike R & Hazel & mike JR

minky67

Hi Mike,i have OA & Fibro & havent been offer either so i dont think were in the category for the jabs.
I have a nasty flu type bug at the moment but just riding it out with paracetomol.
Fibro is clasased as a neuro immune,so i dont thing we count.
debs

mike77

minky67 wrote:

Hi Mike,i have OA & Fibro & havent been offer either so i dont think were in the category for the jabs.
I have a nasty flu type bug at the moment but just riding it out with paracetomol.
Fibro is clasased as a neuro immune,so i dont thing we count.
debs

I personally think it should ,thank you for reading my post.

Take care

Mike R & hazel & Mike JR

woodbon

Hi, I personally would have it, but I'm not in the catagories that need it, as I have OA. I had a nasty bug last week which was a bit flu like, but I can't believe it was swine flu, I wasn't that ill! Id have it if offered as the last time I had proper class A flu I was really ill and it lasted for 3 weeks! Thought I had it a few years ago, but it turned into chicken pox!!! :?

Love Sue

c4thyg

My nurse phoned me this morning and booked me to have the swine flu jab next week. I had to cancel my seasonal one for today because you need 3 weeks between jabs. Or maybe I do because of my conditions, I'm not sure and didn't think to ask. It might be worth checking though if you are having both.

I think I'll be having the jab in my leg because I've got pain patches on my arm and they have be left for 4 weeks before wearing another in the same place again. Yet another thing I should have asked!! I'm useless at times!

joyful164

woodbon wrote:

Hi, I personally would have it, but I'm not in the catagories that need it, as I have OA. I had a nasty bug last week which was a bit flu like, but I can't believe it was swine flu, I wasn't that ill! Id have it if offered as the last time I had proper class A flu I was really ill and it lasted for 3 weeks! Thought I had it a few years ago, but it turned into chicken pox!!! :?

Love Sue

Hi Sue
The other week, when I had the virus, I rang the NHS and did the s.f. assessment. If you are perfectly honest then it will tell you whether it is s.f. or not. I am having ord flu jab on Sat and will prob have the other at end of Nov when the supplies have come in. The nurse told me that they should never do the jabs together or close together.
Joy

nick55

I have very severe reservations about the swine flue vaccination, these are my own thoughts, based on research done on the Web.
first, my own thoughts, do not have the swine flu vaccination. Swine flue is no more severe than seasonal flue and for most in good health, it makes sense to get swine flu, rest, and let the bodies immune system deal with it.

http://www.uk-cs.co.uk/ after all out bodies have been doing this for millions of years.
then I take 2000 units or more of vitamin d3, not d2, but d3, and I am waiting a supply of colloidal silver. these two alone will radically boost the immune system also boost your vitamin C and K levels. eat plenty of green vegetables and drink fruit juice.

if the doctors said al this then the swine flue debacle would slowly die away with a whimper, and no one would think twice about it. over thirty six thousand die each year from seasonal flue, very few have died if any from swine flue. swine flue merely weakens the immune system further so any underlying disease is made worse. that js what causes the fatalities.

unless there is some drastic mutation of the swine flue virus, one should simply ignore it. it is quite possible there are poisons in the vaccine, such as thiomersal, which iis 47% mercury, also aluminium hydroxide and worst of all squaline which may cause a cytokine storm.

nothing is certain here, I suggest you read the following websites being very careful what you believe whether it is what is said here or what the government say. something is not right at all about this outbreak.

most important, think things out for yourself, don;t be one of the 'sheeple', simply following orders from the doctors and government.

the links are here, believe only what makes sense to you,
I hope this is helpful to you all,

Nick

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=latestNews
http://www.theflucase.com/
http://www.naturalnews.com/Index.html
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.uk-cs.co.uk/

nick55

nick55 wrote:

I have very severe reservations about the swine flue vaccination, these are my own thoughts, based on research done on the Web.
first, my own thoughts, do not have the swine flu vaccination. Swine flue is no more severe than seasonal flue and for most in good health, it makes sense to get swine flu, rest, and let the bodies immune system deal with it.

http://www.uk-cs.co.uk/ after all out bodies have been doing this for millions of years.
then I take 2000 units or more of vitamin d3, not d2, but d3, and I am waiting a supply of colloidal silver. these two alone will radically boost the immune system also boost your vitamin C and K levels. eat plenty of green vegetables and drink fruit juice.

if the doctors said al this then the swine flue debacle would slowly die away with a whimper, and no one would think twice about it. over thirty six thousand die each year from seasonal flue, very few have died if any from swine flue. swine flue merely weakens the immune system further so any underlying disease is made worse. that js what causes the fatalities.

unless there is some drastic mutation of the swine flue virus, one should simply ignore it. it is quite possible there are poisons in the vaccine, such as thiomersal, which iis 47% mercury, also aluminium hydroxide and worst of all squaline which may cause a cytokine storm.

nothing is certain here, I suggest you read the following websites being very careful what you believe whether it is what is said here or what the government say. something is not right at all about this outbreak.

most important, think things out for yourself, don;t be one of the 'sheeple', simply following orders from the doctors and government.

the links are here, believe only what makes sense to you,
I hope this is helpful to you all,

Nick

http://www.prisonplanet.com/
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=latestNews
http://www.theflucase.com/
http://www.naturalnews.com/Index.html
http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.uk-cs.co.uk/

two more links that give some very pertinent information on swine flue again, use your own judgment.

Nick

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/03/What-We-Have-Learned-About-the-Great-Swine-Flu-Pandemic.aspx

jordan7j

Hi just to say I had both the seasonal fllu and the swine flu jabs this morning, one in each arm. The nurse was quite happy to do it, I have asthma, so thats why they say to have them. Jay

page35

Hi Nick
i would never thought to have any of the flu jabs before i got RA and my mum who is 71 doesnt have the jabs as her immune system is ok.
thats where the problem is lots of us on this site have suppressed or messed up immune systems so that's why we are told to have the jab.
when someone dies of any kind of flu they say "well they had underlying health issues" i guess RA is one of the health issues.

i will read the links you have put up and agree with you that we should all choose for ourselves, its difficult though isn't it.
do you have OA? if you dont mind me asking?
thanks for the info
page

nick55

I have OA and, I had to turn back from a short walk yesterday when my right hip went. very very painful. I always carry plenty of tramadol in my wallet and car, even my camera case, for when it goes suddenly on a walk or in the supermarket, Not having a painkiller could be very serious, one truly limps about in that case. Embarrassing!!!
Walking was and is a passion for me, long walks, but these days they get shorter.

Read the links, - some are very radical but they do give an alternate perspective even if one does not accept what they say-especially consider taking Vitamin D3, and maybe colloidal silver, again do your own research.

swine flue is over hyped, by media propaganda, and the governments, it is no more serious than seasonal flue unless it mutates then if it mutates the vaccine is useless !!!. My belief is why inject a foreign substance into your body if your body is more than able to cope? (flue that is)

I also fear any vaccine may make the arthritis worse. Sounds like I am proselytizing!!!, but my views are strong on this and I am considerate of what others do, for their own good. It is we who should have primary responsibility for our own health based on our own knowledge and judgment. Of course listen to the doctors first.......My desire is we all wake up, and decide for ourselves how we live our lives, and medical issues are an important part in this. It is so easy to follow what others say, when ,if politicians, they may be following their own agenda, and there is so much information out there on the web. Look up 'mayo clinic', some very valuable information on that website.

Nick

page35 wrote:

Hi Nick
i would never thought to have any of the flu jabs before i got RA and my mum who is 71 doesn't have the jabs as her immune system is ok.
thats where the problem is lots of us on this site have suppressed or messed up immune systems so that's why we are told to have the jab.
when someone dies of any kind of flu they say "well they had underlying health issues" i guess RA is one of the health issues.

i will read the links you have put up and agree with you that we should all choose for ourselves, its difficult though isn't it.
do you have OA? if you dont mind me asking?
thanks for the info
page

janie68

Hi nick,

Just a thought but what about the people that you could pass it onto like children,babies,pregnant women,elderly while you are incubating the flu (you will not have symptoms at this point) who could become seriously ill from it or at worst become fatal.

the swind flu vaccine is definitely a contentious issue.

Janie

c4thyg

I've looked into the data available and in my case I'm going to have the swine flu jab. That said not everyone will need to. Even though I have PsA and asthma they are not the reasons I'm having it. I also have ITP where my immune system destroys my blood and if not controlled by aggressive immunosuppression makes me a haemophiliac. I recently had a minor infection and had to stop my meds for a week and in that time my blood counts dropped dangerously low where I should have had treatment. However, I refused treatment this time because the last lot caused me to have a stroke (caused by a spontaneous brain bleed, not a clot)! Even a mild flu like swine flu could kill me through a brain bleed so in my case the choice is obvious and I'm having the jab as the safer of the 2 options. Incidentally I'll also be having the seasonal flu jab as well as I think that seasonal flu is likely to cause me more problems. Last time I had proper flu I also got pneumonia and was very ill for a long time. I'd rather not repeat that.

What everyone needs to do is look carefully at their own situation. If you are not sure, it might be best to speak to your rheumy nurse as they are less biased than the GPs nurses or nhs direct. If you are someone who rarely gets ill then you might not need the jab. You might even prefer not to have the jab if you think your immune system is strong enough without treatment and you can cope with the pain of a flare up. There really is no right or wrong answer.

woodbon

Hi, I think that having the swine flu vac is more important for some people than others, as always. This time the virus is more harmful to the young, pregnant women and then the usual groups. The reason that it is thought to be worse for the young is, although a new strain, older people do seem to have enough natrural imunity to protect them from some of the worse side effects. Youngsers have none. Elderly people who catch swine flu tend to be less ill than with the seasonal flu. This is very unusual, as flu can be deadly to them.

I do think, yes, it has been over hyped in the press, but it is still a very important decision to make. I would still, if offered have the injection, if I were a care assisstant, as I was, I would feel it my duty to have both seasonal and swine flu, as elderly people can quickly develope severe complications, but, it is a personal choice.

Love Sue

tkachev

My son had the swine flu jab on friday(he is 10).He goes to a school where many children have health issues,although he is as strong as an ox.He has been coughing ever since and complained of a stomach ache(okay now).
i have decidd to have the jab when asked as I suffer from a dry throat and often wake up gasping for air so I think swine flu might knock me for six.
I will read the links though incase....
Best wishes
Elizabeth.

cmjpreay

I don't post often but wanted to look at the responses to swine flu. My son is 13 and has had RA since he was 8. I want him to have the vaccine as I think that I have a duty as a parent to do anything that reduces his risk and subsequent suffering should he catch it.

One of my friends at work who has no immune problems is in intensive care following swine flu. She has been in a drug induced coma for 10 days now and is on a ventilator. They are x-raying her lungs every day for signs of recovery. Her father was told to get home (he lives abroad) cos they didn't think she would make it.

Scary stuff

Chris

sharmaine

Debbie
Are they calling everyone with arthur (OA/RA)? My husband has been called for one because of his medical history.

I hope you have a nice time at the ball.

Sharmaine

nick55

My concern was to pass on the information and my reservations to others, there is so much going on, I believe the media and that definitely includes the BBC, are biased in some way. For instance no one is reporting what ks happening in Ukraine or the city in Northern China that is reportedly under strict military lock down.
Where have these been reported fully save the alternative news sources? Far too many questions remain asked but few answers give therefore too many suppositions are then made. and we are left guessing. I a concerned to se many in our owjn country acting like sheep lining up for their jab, ging away again, but the speed in which the vaccinations were brought out coupled with the officially admitted mild nature of the virus asks the question what have the vaccine in the first place, if it is only the same as seasonal flu?
read what ingredients are in the swine flue jab, mercury, squaline, aluminium hydroxide.........then ask do you want these injected into you.???? It is all on the internet.
read how these vaccines are made, I may dig up a link on this and post it, I am not trying to frighten anyone, only out of concern inform the rest of us.
I accept those who are vulnerable may be a justified exception, I have no argument here, but there does seem something odd the way this whole thing is working out, deeply concerning which is why we should scour the web, read the links I sent and make our own mind up.
Not be swayed by propaganda from the united kingdom or any other government. This is not a political point, in any way, just being objective about it.

so, I shall make another attempt at a walk, and hope the hip bears up, wish me luck,

Nick

janie68 wrote:

Hi nick,

Just a thought but what about the people that you could pass it onto like children,babies,pregnant women,elderly while you are incubating the flu (you will not have symptoms at this point) who could become seriously ill from it or at worst become fatal.

the swind flu vaccine is definitely a contentious issue.

Janie

jackie1955

Hi,

To have or have not? That is indeed the question.....

And the answer is I really don't know what to do. To be quite honest Nick, I know you are trying to be helpful, but for me your listings and links have opened up a can of worms.

I consider myself to be of reasonable intelligence, and certainly not a 'sheeple'; when diagnosed with RA I followed the consultants' advice and immediately started on MTX. Why would I question his ability to treat my condition - he is the expert in his field. And why would I now question my medical team who are encouraging us to have the Swine Flu vaccine?

For the first time ever I was eligible for the seasonal flu vaccine, I took this as recommended, with never a thought as to should I/shouldn't I?

I don't know what is in all the drugs I take either, believing again that the medics wouldn't actually poison me....... but after reading your postings/links there seems to be an underlying message that that is exactly what 'someone' wants to do in order to cull the human population :shock:

Scared? You bet I am. I wished I'd never read your postings/links.

I would have happily gone for the vaccine secure in the belief that someone, somewhere, had discovered this vaccine and - as with penicillin - it was being produced and distributed for the good of mankind.

A 'sheeple' after all? Maybe - but I would have been a happy sheeple.[/i][/b]

Jackie

livinglegend: Your good at surfin the net and coming up with sensible advice for us - what do you think about this vaccine? joseph, I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say.

nick55

I only wish to inform
can you see my dilemma? to go in depth into this to me, fascinating subject, to read a lot about it, and to have strong opinions. then would it not be a selfish act in the extreme not to want to share this with those you care about and have respect for? this is why I write about this.

Sadly, how easy it is to let others decide for us, all my life I have done this, paid false homage to doctors, when I should have stood straight, and listened in partnership with them, first listening, then either agreeing or politely disagreeing.
The problem of knowledge and waking up spiritually is exactly what Prometheus found.

The solution is simple really. The only enemy we have is fear. Nothing more than that once we have dealt with all our inner issues and trained our mind then there is absolutely nothing at all to fear, only fear itself. and fear is only an emotion!!!

So, as far as swine flue goes, read all you can, some of it is fascinating but I tend to treat everything as a rather nice story, and I neither believe nor disbelieve. unless its truth becomes apparent to me. take nothing seriously unless it is real on your own terms. Most of what is said may be nonsense or disinformation, especially the government.

But, that is my view. Anything you read on my links, be prepared to say "rubbish' or at least have a good read and think, at least it broadens ones mind.
I hope this is useful, one last thing, no one anywhere is more powerful than you are, no one, we should all know this.

best wishes,
Nick
P. S.
as for culling the population these are just views some people have. I will say no more on this as the truth is out there hidden in plain view as they say.
Again reject what is contrary to your own common sense, and take lightly anything you read, and make this habit of taking things lightly , a habit!!!! you can always laugh about these things.

jackie1955 wrote:

Hi,

To have or have not? That is indeed the question.....

And the answer is I really don't know what to do. To be quite honest Nick, I know you are trying to be helpful, but for me your listings and links have opened up a can of worms.

I consider myself to be of reasonable intelligence, and certainly not a 'sheeple'; when diagnosed with RA I followed the consultants' advice and immediately started on MTX. Why would I question his ability to treat my condition - he is the expert in his field. And why would I now question my medical team who are encouraging us to have the Swine Flu vaccine?

For the first time ever I was eligible for the seasonal flu vaccine, I took this as recommended, with never a thought as to should I/shouldn't I?

I don't know what is in all the drugs I take either, believing again that the medics wouldn't actually poison me....... but after reading your postings/links there seems to be an underlying message that that is exactly what 'someone' wants to do in order to cull the human population :shock:

Scared? You bet I am. I wished I'd never read your postings/links.

I would have happily gone for the vaccine secure in the belief that someone, somewhere, had discovered this vaccine and - as with penicillin - it was being produced and distributed for the good of mankind.

A 'sheeple' after all? Maybe - but I would have been a happy sheeple.[/i][/b]

Jackie

livinglegend: Your good at surfin the net and coming up with sensible advice for us - what do you think about this vaccine? joseph, I'd be very interested in hearing what you have to say.

vonski

Hi

I totally agree with Jackie, Nick you seem to think that people on this forum are unable to look things up for themselves and make their own decision without you scare mongering. You may be trying to help but please think about it we all have common sense.

Vonski

jackie1955

Thanks for your reply Nick;
I know you say you are only trying to help, and you are sharing things with us, and we can make up our own minds; but..... if you read something and think it is a nice story or should be taken lightly then why bother to post links on it?
Surely the fact you are posting these links strongly suggests that you believe what is written in them?

And as you have delved into the subject of Swine Flu and its Vaccine in-depth (which it seems you have) you appear to have reached an informed decision on whether or not this vaccine is any good for us. But a lot of us will not research it so intensly, and not have all the facts enabling us to make such an informed decision for ourselves. So we then have to rely on the medical profession to be true to their motto "First Do No Harm", and follow whatever they prescribe is best for us.

I enjoyed reading your reply Nick, but it was a bit of an enigma indeed, I think you could 'blind me with science' :!:

all the best to you too,

Jackie

p.s. your not a politician are you

janie68

Sorry nick, I know u say that it is a mild flu and that may be true for most but as I said earlier, not for some and if we have the vaccine then are we not slowing down the swine flu mutating more and therefore hopefully slowing it down overall? We need to think about this and if I can stop one person getting it from me then I will have it, and if u do still get it, then the chances are that u will get a milder version. For us who are immunocompromised this could mean no serious complications if we have the vaccine. I am having it this week, this flu can be mild for most, but I can't take the chance to see if my system will cope.

Janie

nick55

jackie1955 wrote:

Thanks for your reply Nick;
I know you say you are only trying to help, and you are sharing things with us, and we can make up our own minds; but..... if you read something and think it is a nice story or should be taken lightly then why bother to post links on it?
Surely the fact you are posting these links strongly suggests that you believe what is written in them?

And as you have delved into the subject of Swine Flu and its Vaccine in-depth (which it seems you have) you appear to have reached an informed decision on whether or not this vaccine is any good for us. But a lot of us will not research it so intensly, and not have all the facts enabling us to make such an informed decision for ourselves. So we then have to rely on the medical profession to be true to their motto "First Do No Harm", and follow whatever they prescribe is best for us.

I enjoyed reading your reply Nick, but it was a bit of an enigma indeed, I think you could 'blind me with science' :!:

all the best to you too,

Jackie

p.s. your not a politician are you

I am averse to politics totally. I wanted to say there are more issues that are worth thinking about in respect to swine flu. one may listen to various points of view some radical, and at least ones way of looking at this issue is then broader, even though one may not believe in all that we read. At least we are more whole in our attitude rather than simply listening to the media and following what everyone else does. we can listen to another persons ideas and they may improve our own conceptual grasp of the subject even if we disagree with the persons thesis he is presenting to us.
I simply wish to offer others a broader perspective on this very important issue of swine flue vaccination not with any sort of fear but with an understanding of the greater aspects of this issue we are denied by the popular media. It is our bodies we are dealing with.
Be happy to make up our own mind . It may all die away soon or may become far more cogent as the months go by, i have no set point of view that cannot be changed as my own understanding changes.
If I have said more then I should then please forgive me for this,
best wishes,
Nick