if you go down to the woods today!!

mellman01

Well call me cynical but I am wondering just how many policemen it takes to catch one muscle bound numpty hiding in a wood?.

Hey that leads on to an old police joke, right here goes, how many policemen does it take to break and egg??, none it fell down and broke all by itself!!.

trisher

Have you been in the sun today Mell?

Not been in the woods for a long time so I would not know.

I always thought there were squirrels owls woodpeckers in the woods.

Only answer about the policeman being in there was he got caught short. :shock:

He was not after a muscle bound man at all.

mellman01

Hi Trish no I meant the lot chasing the big ex prison dude who murdered his ex girl freinds boy freind wounded her then went and shot the poor old bobby sitting in his car, my god they even have jet fighters looking for him I can't get me ed round it, I know he is a murderer but I have never seen the airforce getting in on the act like this, just seems a bit over the top.

tkachev

did you see one of his camps in the middle of an open field! remains of a camp fire and all....

elizabeth

mellman01

Maybe it's dear old Oshama that's up there!!???

barbara12

this my view on things...me thinks he got his friends to dump car...and plant camping gear in woods..to make the police think hes there...if I were a policeman in any part of the country I would watchmy back. :shock: hope they catch him soon.

trisher

Mell

I'm sorry and apologise for what I said. I thought you were joking when you put about the egg.

No, I have been following this story and it is bad what he has done.

He may have planned this for a while and planned all the places he would hide himself.

Perhaps he is not hiding in the woods he might go out and set up these sites and he is hiding somewhere else.

The people who live there must be very scared and I don't blame them. Whatever is happening these days to have these people shooting others?

Lets hope he gets caught soon.

Trish

angel1

I know this part of Northumberland very well, and whilst it is heavily wooded and forested, I can`t believe he hasn`t been caught........IF he`s there!
Given all the resources that are being used, something isn`t right.

snowball

I just hope they catch him soon before he hurts anyone else.

Julie

angel1

Looks like they`ve got him, Thank God!!!

Just been broadcast......Ange.

mellman01

Well there goes his weekend!, well that's if the feds don't accidentally pop a cap or several caps in his ****!, I must say I have never seen so much activity for one guy, OK so he had a sawn off but jet fighters armoured cars??, hey I wonder if they have got some poor old fisherman by accident, one minute he was realing in a trout the next thing he's got Andy McNabb pointing a large gun at his head.

barbara12

watching it I sought of feel sorry for him (I know ) but he is obviously sick, I hope it ends peacefully I really do.They have made it like a circus :roll:

joanlawson

Apparently, Moat had made threats to kill his ex-girlfriend when he left prison. If the prison authorities and police had acted on this information, all this trouble would have been avoided.

When are the police going to start protecting women from violent men such as this? There was a terrible case near where I live of a man who killed his ex-partner. The police knew of his threats for ages, and did nothing to protect her.

oneday

bit of action and i am out and miss the latest...i know this thread was about moat by the title .....
heres a question or two....
this guy threathens to shoot police so loads of them out looking...but that guy in cumbria who was shooting civilians and wandering about for at least 3 hrs no police......
how do we know he has said he will kill police.....
sympathies to people who live there who must be anxious...
and why cant they catch him, if in woods they have infrared,dogs etc etc.......unbelievable . and that woman police whatever she is wouldnt make me feel safe, so wooden....

livinglegend

Having done quite a few Large Area Searches in rough, wooded country for missing people, I know that you can be within 10 feet of someone hiding in the undergrowth and if they are covered with grass/leaves, wearing dark clothes and lie still, you won't see them. Infra-red cameras can't see through trees or bushes if someone hides right under them or uses a space blanket, while dogs can be misled by certain scents.

10 teams of 20 per team, that's 5 teams resting/feeding or moving to start points, while 5 are on an actual search, means 200 people involved. Plus 10 specialists and 10 organising = 220. They soon add up.

You have to take it carefully, (especially if the person wants to hide) and it does take many hours to search an area properly.

Joseph 8)

mellman01

Hi oneday and BC, well we will never know what drove him to lose it now, I did think the police were overly tooled up, Tornado jets and armoured cars and all he had was a sawn off, it's probably because he shot a copper that they acted like the did, bottom line is never shoot a copper, it's a really really bad idea, someone said on the news there were two shots, if there were it would be him that did it, one shot with a 12 bore to the head and it's all over that's for sure. Also I wonder if he was taking lots of steroids they can make a person go hyper aggresive and generally nasty.

oneday

thanks for explantions..

mellman01

Why not just wait till he runs out of food or loo roll!??, flippin Jet fighters doing recon yeah gods, boy what a waste of money, and did you see the guns the coppers had, Jesus looked like something out of star wars not your normal HK MP5 9mm, they like their toy's these day's do the fed's!, I remeber a time when you use to get a local bobby on the beat who would know the area and who was the local trouble maker, today the cops are more like a para military hit squad, choppers stun guns gas body armour etc, oh life was so simple then!!!..

livinglegend

I think that the idea of the heavy police presence was to keep him bottled up and unable to move freely around the area.

The TV cameras will be where there are lots of police as it makes good coverage, while showing a virtually empty road looks like there is no police presence at all. The police also have to stop the press, (and the public), charging into any areas that may put them in danger. They could go running toward a gunman to get an 'exclusive interview' and get shot at. What then?

If I remember from our local council/police circular, it said that people say they feel reassured by a police presence, but I agree it looked too much. The thing is that it would enable a quicker response over a wide area as specialist teams are close to where they are suddenly needed.

Joseph 8)

mellman01

Hi Joseph yeah did seem a tad over the top, I watched the police news briefing yesterday and it wasn't good, the woman in charge called him a nutter and read out a letter of support stating he needs to be shot, well OK he was but if she was intent on talking him down then that's not the way to do bloody well do it. I also hear she went to talk to him again not a good idea. Maybe she got the result she wanted all along.
They were saying his last words were he didn't have a dad and no one cares about him now, sounds like he was a lonely mixed up guy that had to much anger.


Hey have you been in touch with dear old rehab, he seems to have gone MIA!.

mellman01

Hi Lynn didn't see any choppers and no arms out on show but there were a few odd police vans about, the thing is the police never manage to talk these people down unlike other countries such as the US for one, even if you don't have a gun they seem to like to shoot to kill, not saying that is what happened here but if they wanted to reach out to him as they say they did then having 15 armed coppers only a few feet away all pointing guns at him is not the way to do it, in fact it does and did the opposite, it applied pressure and he topped himself result!, and as delboy says at least it saved us a lot of cash.
The police arn't liked to much in a lot of places these day's I wonder if it is because they have gone away from community policing to the sort of SAS inspired type of mission we saw being played out, the only time we see a copper here is when they fly over the house in the chopper, the bloody thing is always around doing what I don't know but at £2000 an hour to run it's not cheap.
As I said bad idea shooting at or waving anything remotly like a gun at the coppers here today, so far no one has ever come out alive, which is odd as they seem to be able to do it in the US and there it's never a sawn off they face. Those things are harmless after 20 feet or so.

oneday

This morning news had a fire arms advisor who said police wouldnt use a taser gun because if he had finger on trigger the reflex from being zapped could make him pull trigger.

So what have i just seen on news, police used a taser.

I didnt see the police woman call him a nutter,post above, but what a stupid thing to say. She looks like someone with zero initiative who just says "yes" to her superiors(puppet). she is acting top person or temp one they said, so wheres the main man/woman then?

Why didnt police distance themselves when they knew where he was,cut off escape and send in trained negotiators/a friend of his?

It didnt seem to have been handled well.

only49

rehab44 wrote:

No doubt this story will drag on for a while. I suspect that Max Clifford the publicist will be hovering at the beside of Moat's ex girlfriend. No doubt there will be lurid tales in the newspaper that comes up with the largest sum to ease her pain. Headlines similar to 'I lived with the crazed Rothbury Monster!'
Other headlines blaming the Police for everything and the cost of the operation will adorn the pages of the gutter press.

i expect it will :roll: i can understand the police had a job to do, and i think there job hard enough without them getting blamed for what went on, i hope they let the dust settle now and move on whats happened has happened.

mellman01

Tasers hmmmm strange thing to use as it induces a synaptic response when you have a guy with his hand on the triger of a gun, also just seen his uncle on the news who said he talked to the police and asked to be allowed to go and talk to him they said no it was to dangerous.
As rehab has said now the PR starts, well in reality it started yesterday with the press interview held by the officer in charge, dead men tell no tails as they say.

livinglegend

In this type of situation there are no winners, some people lost the son/relative/friend they loved, in one case after hearing the press and the police publicly pass distressing comments about them.

The police failed to capture him alive, so they have lost some public support.

Everyone has lost something from this tragedy and don't forget the first man to be killed. Most people already have.

Joseph

oneday

Joseph, yeah i had forgotten, good point.