Will I go to court

barbara12

I went to the supermarket tea time yesterday..I had my 9 yr old Granddaughter with me ...she packs the food.
Well there was this man at the back of me, to cut a long story short, he was annoyed at us being so slow, he kept saying get a f.... move on.
I had my stick so that gets in the way, anyway he started to shove his trolley into my leg..my god did it hurt right in the calf.
I tried to ignore him, but he did it again, so I turned round and pushed his trolley away from me towards him, anyway he made a big thing of falling over and say he had hurt himself.
The supermarket took my name and address, and I am getting a visit off the police...I am so scared.
Barbara x

valval

first off do not worry he probabully trying it on do not forget to use your stick when they come and ask if his asult on you is on the cctv in supermarket tell them what happened and how when you went to push trolly away from your leg where he was hitting you with it he got knocked over, the shop assistant will be a whitness they probabully know him as they often carry on like this so try not to worry.
if you need legal advice before you speeak to police try your insurance company they often give free advice over the phone but what ever you do do not say you did it no matter who says what it his word against yours and your grandaughter also show them the bruise you will have on your leg where trolly hit it sure you will have one i do but never notice them ((())) val

dreamdaisy

You poor thing, how dreadful. I don't think you have to worry too much, whihc I know is easy for me to say: he was agressive towards you, you tried to ignore him, he over-reacted. Keep as calm as you can if the police come to see you. My thinking is that they really should have bigger fish to fry than some twerp making a t**t of himself in a supermarket. I don't do this often, so brace yourself: ((())). DD

valval

delboy wrote:

Who said you were to be visited by the police?

I doubt the police will be bothered but if they do turn up don't even take a caution off them as it was entirely the fault of the other shopper.

I would go back to the supermarket and have a word with the manager and ask for CCTV evidence as you are thinking of suing them for failing to ensure your safety while on their premises. If they refuse tell them the headlines about a disabled shopper being assaulted in their shop will do them no favours.

I would imagine things will resolve themselves very quickly.


good reply dell never thought of that you might even get some free vouchers to help you keep shopping there lol


If it happens again make sure he's really damaged when he falls over.

barbara12

Thanks so much Val DD and Dell
Val that is good advice about the free legal advice on the insurance
DD I cant begin to understand why people can be so nasty
Del if the police do come do I just refused the caution, the manageress questioned the girl on the till but she said she was to busy to see anything...till he fell over.
I am 60..and he must have been around mid 30s...there is know way he should have fell, I just shoved to trolling away from my legs.

valval

he just out to make a claim against you or the supermarket or victim suport do not worry about this low life i am sure the police will see it for what it is ((()))val

skezier

Hi Barbara,

I sorry to read this one cus you don't need it. I don't know the legalities but if you told them what happened from a legal point of view its his word against yours...... Its not fair you are in this position at all. ((((( ))))) Cris xx

mellman01

Hi Barbera what does the store CCTV show do you know,??, also I would imagine that this a hole has form so is probably well known to the police and the store, I wouldn't worry to much can you see him trying to argue the toss over it the man is a fool and not very bright that's obvious.
Did you have any injury yourself or any marks from his trolly is so get pictures of them.

barbara12

Thanks Cris and Mell
I am so shook up, I think the reality is hitting me now, I am so sad that there are such people out there, I have 2 sons around his age, and they have a lot of respect for others.
Mell I do have a bruise on my calf, I will take a picture of it...like you say maybe he has done this before...he just through himself on the floor, say he had hurt his back...it make you scared of going out.
Barbara x

valval

barbara12 wrote:

Thanks Cris and Mell
I am so shook up, I think the reality is hitting me now, I am so sad that there are such people out there, I have 2 sons around his age, and they have a lot of respect for others.
Mell I do have a bruise on my calf, I will take a picture of it...like you say maybe he has done this before...he just through himself on the floor, say he had hurt his back...it make you scared of going out.
Barbara x

you must remember that it is only the minority who are like this and if you stop going out it will help make them a majority and none of us want that you will be shaken that is to be expected any one would please take the time you need to recover but do not let this moron spoil life for you he not worth a second thought

lupin15

I am so sorry this has happened to you but like the others have said get legal advice, take a picture of the bruise and i would be inclined to go to the doctors about it so it is recorded in your med doc.
I would be very surprised if the police turn up and if the man has a history of it , they will not rush out.
My daughter was driving through a 20 speed limit and a child ran out infront of her which see taped with her car. She was doing 23 which she told the police. Next thing we have the father phoning up asking for details as he was going to sue her. Needless to say we did not give the man any information and phoned the police. they went around to see the father. They explained to him that they could be sued as she had ran out into the road and there was a pelican crossing 50 yards up the road. The childs's mother had called her across the road in front of my daughter.
This no fee claim stuff that is on the radio etc just has it really hard for normal hard working people.
I would be inclined to say i pushed the trolley away from me...as you can see i have arthur and do not have much body strength...really do not know how he has fallen over.
Good luck and try not to worry.

joanlawson

Hi Barbara

I'm so sorry that you are having this worry about something which was not your fault.

My guess is that this man has set out to provoke you so that he can make an insurance claim. He's probably done it before. I can't imagine that the police would be taken in by his story, especially if they see the bruise on your leg. I feel sure that nothing will come of it, so try not to worry.

Joan

dreamdaisy

There are some very unpleasant people in this world, barbara, and I think you have met one of them. I doubt much will happen - even if the police do come round I don't think they will be giving you any warnings or hauling you off anywhere. You are completely in the clear as far as I can see, I am sure the cashier will back you up and CCTV will prove your point. Try not to get yourself in a state - this was upsetting and unpleasant, but he is not worth the bother you are putting yourself thro. Take care, coddle yourself with something lovely - an extra biccy after lunch or somesuch. DD

frogmorton

Oh Barbara

That is really awful

I am so so sorry you had the misfortune to bash into that nasty peice of work.

I hope your Grandaughter is ok?

I also hope you will take that photo incase you need evidence.

When the police come you (that's IF they come) act just like you are calm reasonable and scared very scared. They will see that you are more sinned against than sinning.

remeber to tell them the language he used.

suggest if you ahvent already done so that you wtite a staement so you remember clearly EXACTLY what happend.

Please take care

You do not deserve this :x

Love

Toni xx

tkachev

barbara12 wrote:

I went to the supermarket tea time yesterday..I had my 9 yr old Granddaughter with me ...she packs the food.
Well there was this man at the back of me, to cut a long story short, he was annoyed at us being so slow, he kept saying get a f.... move on.
I had my stick so that gets in the way, anyway he started to shove his trolley into my leg..my god did it hurt right in the calf.
I tried to ignore him, but he did it again, so I turned round and pushed his trolley away from me towards him, anyway he made a big thing of falling over and say he had hurt himself.
The supermarket took my name and address, and I am getting a visit off the police...I am so scared.
Barbara x

Oh Barbara I am sorry.Perhaps it is best not to be too honest to the police(as I have found to my cost). Dont say he annoyed you so you pushed his trolley back at him. I would say as he pushed the trolley towards you (for the 2nd time) you put your leg out to break the impact (as he'd caused you pain in a previous trolley assault) and the trolley accidently went back into him which is when he fell. I think intent to hurt is what the police look for. you were protecting yourself from pain as he had already hurt you once because he deemed you to be too slow in packing and had sworn at you and your grandaughter. Just DON'T say you deliberately pushed trolley towards him in anger!
I expect he is trying to claim all sorts of compensation and sympathy and will milk it for all it is worth.
I am sorry that you, the true victim has to go through this. I am also sorry for your grandaughter who must have been upset and frightened by his behaviour and the threat of police.
As Linda legs said on her post about the lady who was mugged this will make you both think twice and worry about going shopping just as her husband didnt want her to go out alone.


My thoughts are with you
Elizabeth

tkachev

Also go to the GP and point out your injury so there is a record of it and make a fuss about the pain and damage you have suffered.

Elizabeth

angel1

You have had superb practical advice Barb , and I just want to send you all my love.

When things like this happen, it can leave us feeling old, unwanted, and useless. I imagine you are feeling some of this, as well as very emotional. Take some soft time, my love. You are an amazing lady, bringing up two wonderful little girls, having already brought up two sons to be proud of. Don`t let this scum take anything away from you. Head high girl!.......Much love.......Ange.x.

snowball

Barbara I'm so sorry this has happened to you, like others have said he's probably done it before. Sending you a ((((hug))))

Jules xx

barbara12

Can I just say a huge Thank You to all of you, I have read everyone of your post, the support means the world to me, has you can imagine I have been very tearful, this is so not like me.
My OH has been to the store, and put a complaint in, and is also demanding to see any CTV.
And surprise I have had the mans legal team contact me, so I told them how it all started (they weren't interested) so I am contacting the police before they contact me, I shall show them the bruises, and try and get across how upsetting it was.
Ange you are so right, it has knock the stuffing out of me, I am quite confident normally .
Lots of love to all of you
Barbara xx

dachshund

Hello Barbara.
i feel so sorry for you. if the police do come to see you tell them you were worried you were going to fall over be caause your balance is not very good
if you are knocked with anything.
try not to worry and take care.
he was in the wrong not you.
joan xx

julie47

Oh barbara What a worry this scum bag has given you.

I hope the police are good to you when you contact them.

The bloke is just trying it on I think, As you say, being so young he should not have fallen. (he has obviously watched too much football and seen their performances on the pitch)

I do hope everything settles down quickly.

Take care
Thinking of you
JuliePF x

bubbles

Barbara, that is dreadful, I would have whacked him with my crutches, how dare he push your legs, intentionally. Every till in most large supermarkets has a camera over them now, so it will be on CCTV, there are even cameras alongside the till, to check that you have not left anything in your trolley.
The moron was at fault and was acting in an unreasonable manner. You had every right to make your presence felt. As for his dramatic fall, perhaps he deserves an award, for the best acting in a supermarket category.
If the Police call, then they have too much time on their hands.

Try one of the shops buggies, they are great, you can run into people who are in your way I do it all the time. :shock:

Wonkylegs

HI Barbara

so sorry that you had to have someone pick on you so badly like this today :shock: :shock:

He sounds like a big bully who cares not a jot for anyone but himself.

Do get all the evidence you can, and do write down everything that you can remember happening, as this will help you if you need to talk to the police.

Don't please be put off from going out .... not everyone is like this I promise.

Sending you huge calming hugs ((((((())))))))

WOnky

livinglegend

Firstly, you are likely to get a visit from the police, just so that they can hear your side of the story. They weren't there and thus are neutral. Ask them in and give them a nice cup of tea and some choccy biscuits. Even if they refuse the tea, give them the choccy biscuits. That should put them on your side from the start.

Have everything written down as a little story, that you would have written as soon as possible after you arrived home just in case, I am sure that is what you should do even if you didn't. It is easy to miss important things when they arrive and ask questions.

Don't waffle, as all police have inbuilt 'waffle meters'. Take a photo of your bruises and show it to them and you could point out that you were assaulted first by an aggressive man and preventing further injury to yourself when you pushed his trolley, not yours, away from you. Don't indulge in name calling or nasty opinions, just explain what happened and appear upset about it.

Also, don't overplay the 'disabled card' as some disabled people often do as an excuse for their behaviour, and it very soon sets off the 'waffle meter' as above. The police question people every day and they can instantly tell the difference between truth and waffle. If you walk with a limp and use a stick, it will be noticed. Just be your normal self and that always counts. If you have any questions for the police, ask them while they are there about what happens next, they won't mind.

Don't depend on the till operator, as she has already stated that she didn't see anything. The store themselves are also neutral as it just happened there, they weren't involved as such. The police will contact them about CCTV and give you a copy if it looks like it is going to court, otherwise is it really necessary for you to chase it up?

So, it comes down to just your word against his. What will most likely happen, (I hope), is that the whole thing will be quietly dropped, ask that you be notified in writing if it is. The following may help:

A caution can be given only if the person admits guilt.
If the police feel there is not enough evidence to make a charge, they will either decide to take no further action, (and the case against you will be dropped), or will delay any decision while further enquiries are made. http://www.thesite.org/homelawandmoney/law/introuble/rightsonarrest

Just treat any visit calmly and I think it will just be dropped.

Joseph 8)

annebr

Everyone has given you lots of good advice, this guy sounds as if he is trying to pull a scam.

One think I would add is how did his legal team get your contact details? I know you left them with the supermarket for the police but does this mean they are giving them out to all & sundry? If so that's not on, how are you to know that his legal team are legit?

Anne

annie_mial

I can't add any more to the advice, Barb, you've had such a lot of really good stuff given here. Just wanted to say how sorry I am that this **** chose you to try his dirty tricks on.

It's easy of us to say, don't dwell on it, and so very hard to do! Don't let it make you ill, though, the **** isn't worth it by any stretch of the imagination.

Love
Annie