I love art galleries

livinglegend

I don't think much of an unmade bed full of rubbish. A teenager's tidy, made bed would be much more shocking.

And unusual.

Joseph 8)

joanlawson

livinglegend wrote:

I don't think much of an unmade bed full of rubbish. A teenager's tidy, made bed would be much more shocking.

And unusual.

Joseph 8)

Very true :!:

trisher

joanlawson wrote:

trisher wrote:

Joan

Thank you, for explaining it. I can now understand her more. I think I should read a few books.

I do like art, like Joseph's that beautiful painting that you now own, that was just an amazing piece of work.

Thanks Joan.

I've got two of Joseph's paintings, and both are of Tobermory in Scotland. One is of a stormy sea, and the other is of a calm sea, so they make a wonderful contrast with each other. They are both lovely paintings, and I am delighted to own them.

Joan

I know my favorite two . They were beautiful though Joan. I often think of that.

You will have to send me a photo one day Now that would cheer me up.

Trish xx

trisher

When I made my satin cards, I used to get postcards of the sea, a bit like Joseph's.

Well, I made up the satin card then I would put a good quality post card and lay it on a bed of satin.

Next I would put a frame around the card, then make up a poem about the sea to go inside.

They looked really nice. I loved doing that, I started quite a little industry doing that.

Trisher xx

joyful164

Hello Trisher

They sound lovely. I admire anyone who can make cards like that.
I bought some from my hairdressers, obviously a customer who made them.
When I was at work, a close friend and colleague, who was fighting breastcancer and was away from work, started making beautiful cards like you describe, just to keep herself motivated and busy.
She survived and was back with us 18 months after start of treatment. She was lucky.

I would like to say that anyone who is able should visit Cambridge and go to the Fitzwilliam Museum. When I went 2 years ago, there was a brilliant exhibition of Turners work and sketches. It was interesting to see his work from a 16 year old into his 70's and how gradually losing his sight was the reason for the wonderful blended atmospheric light in his pictures.
Has anyone mentioned Birmingham. I went with my colleagues from Kettering & District Art Society one year and we went to see an exhibition by Constable. This was of interest because I went to Flatford Mill in Suffolk some years ago and spent a week to study his work .
The lesson that I learnt from these two artist was to have notebooks with you the whole time. Take time to sit and catch the scene .
It goes to show that art is all around us from dirty linen baskets, unmade beds to abstract, cubism, to contemporary and general art is being the first person to think of it.

Joy

joanlawson

trisher wrote:

When I made my satin cards, I used to get postcards of the sea, a bit like Joseph's.

Well, I made up the satin card then I would put a good quality post card and lay it on a bed of satin.

Next I would put a frame around the card, then make up a poem about the sea to go inside.

They looked really nice. I loved doing that, I started quite a little industry doing that.

Trisher xx

These cards sound really beautiful, Trisher. I like the idea of a poem to go with the picture.

joanlawson

joyful164 wrote:

Hello Trisher

They sound lovely. I admire anyone who can make cards like that.
I bought some from my hairdressers, obviously a customer who made them.
When I was at work, a close friend and colleague, who was fighting breastcancer and was away from work, started making beautiful cards like you describe, just to keep herself motivated and busy.
She survived and was back with us 18 months after start of treatment. She was lucky.

I would like to say that anyone who is able should visit Cambridge and go to the Fitzwilliam Museum. When I went 2 years ago, there was a brilliant exhibition of Turners work and sketches. It was interesting to see his work from a 16 year old into his 70's and how gradually losing his sight was the reason for the wonderful blended atmospheric light in his pictures.
Has anyone mentioned Birmingham. I went with my colleagues from Kettering & District Art Society one year and we went to see an exhibition by Constable. This was of interest because I went to Flatford Mill in Suffolk some years ago and spent a week to study his work .
The lesson that I learnt from these two artist was to have notebooks with you the whole time. Take time to sit and catch the scene .
It goes to show that art is all around us from dirty linen baskets, unmade beds to abstract, cubism, to contemporary and general art is being the first person to think of it.

Joy

The Turner exhibition sounds wonderful, Joy. I would have enjoyed that, and it is always good to see how an artist's work progresses over a lifetime.

It is sad when an artist's eyesight goes, and I remember seeing Monet's later work, when he was losing his sight. It became more abstract, rather than Impressionist, because he was struggling to see.

It is a good idea to have a notepad, as you suggest, just to capture a moment, or to make some notes on colour etc.

I agree with what you said about art being all around us. About modern art, people often say 'Anyone could do that!' but the fact is that no-one has THOUGHT to do it before, or had the vision to create something from the thought.

I love children's art, because children are uninhibited by preconceived ideas of art, and have the confidence to express their ideas freely.

skezier

Hi Joan,

The way I see it the artists idea isn't as important as the beholders interpretation of their ideas where abstract stuff is concerned. I will never understand no matter how much it was explained to me how either the unmade bed, a nightmare of colour and just un-linked or linked shapes or dead things in formaldehyde can be called art even in its most extreme form. It doesn't mean its rubbish it just means I don't get it.

The art critics don't get it either at times..... Otherwise they wouldn't have been fooled by paintings done by (off the top of my head and there could be more) Ellie's, Chimps and at least one dog. I think I almost get what the Ellie was trying to portray actually, the chimps was easy cus it looked like a banana as I remembered. The Ellie seemed to be lamenting freedom..... See I really am just a romantic and I will never get modern art...... and will stick to Ellie's painting and modern like the Newlyn lot’s not abstract x

annie_mial

'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' Can't remember who said it, but I believe it to be true. Although I can't see anything in the unmade bed, or the broken glass, or whatever it was, perhaps someone else can?

I like portraits, especially old ones..........I like trying to read the faces, some are easy, some are not..............and there are some there which, while I think they are beautiful, I shouldn't like to have sitting in front of me all day...........Whistler's Mother, for one and the Mona Lisa..........I think she was just an airhead!

Annie

livinglegend

annie_mial wrote:

'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' Can't remember who said it, but I believe it to be true.
Annie

Plato quoted it:

'Remember how in that communion only, beholding beauty with the eye of the mind, he will be enabled to bring forth, not images of beauty, but realities, (for he has hold not of an image but of a reality), and bringing forth and nourishing true virtue to become the friend of God and be immortal, if mortal man may'.

Very apt for artists.


Joseph 8)

joyful164

After mentioning Cambridge and the Fitzwilliam Museum, an email came from our events organiser today saying the next trip is on the 27th February so have booked for 2 to go. The focus will be on Sargent, Sickert and Spencer (so I shall have to do some homework before I go) This trip is with The Fellowship of Prof and Amateur Artists. Enjoy going out with them because they remind me of the crowd I use to hang out with in my teens and early twenties. OH is coming with me so I shall have an escort.

Joan. One good exercise you can do with a sketch book is drawing just clouds. If you know about cloud formations etc. then this is a great exercise. By doing this, when you come to do your landscape and you put brush to paper you will straight away make the right strokes. This was one of the things I learnt at Flatford Mill. It was what Constable did.
My NY Resolution was to sketch at least one thing each day. so far so good.

Joy

annie_mial

Thank you Joseph - the fount of all knowledge!

Annie

I should have googled it, I guess! The memory is failing me these days............

livinglegend

annie_mial wrote:

The memory is failing me these days............

So is mine. I'm just glad google is my Home Page.


Joseph 8)

joanlawson

skezier wrote:

Hi Joan,

The way I see it the artists idea isn't as important as the beholders interpretation of their ideas where abstract stuff is concerned. I will never understand no matter how much it was explained to me how either the unmade bed, a nightmare of colour and just un-linked or linked shapes or dead things in formaldehyde can be called art even in its most extreme form. It doesn't mean its rubbish it just means I don't get it.

The art critics don't get it either at times..... Otherwise they wouldn't have been fooled by paintings done by (off the top of my head and there could be more) Ellie's, Chimps and at least one dog. I think I almost get what the Ellie was trying to portray actually, the chimps was easy cus it looked like a banana as I remembered. The Ellie seemed to be lamenting freedom..... See I really am just a romantic and I will never get modern art...... and will stick to Ellie's painting and modern like the Newlyn lot’s not abstract x

Hi Cris

Everyone interprets art in their own way, I think, whatever it may be. That is because we all bring our own experience of life to it, and any art will have different meanings to different people. But that is the interesting thing about it . What might seem like rubbish to one person might seem full of meaning to another. Hence why you saw a lament for freedom in the elephant's painting. See, you DO get it after all !

Art critics are a breed apart, I think, and not to be trusted. I would rather form my own opinions than read someone else's, and I try to keep an open mind when looking at any artist's work.

You ARE a romantic, but please never change a thing :!:

joanlawson

annie_mial wrote:

'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' Can't remember who said it, but I believe it to be true. Although I can't see anything in the unmade bed, or the broken glass, or whatever it was, perhaps someone else can?

I like portraits, especially old ones..........I like trying to read the faces, some are easy, some are not..............and there are some there which, while I think they are beautiful, I shouldn't like to have sitting in front of me all day...........Whistler's Mother, for one and the Mona Lisa..........I think she was just an airhead!

Annie

Hi Annie

Portraits are revealing, not just of the subject, but of the artist too, I believe. The details included, the choice of expression on the face, the position of the subject and the setting, all make a statement about the artist and his or her relationship with the person being portrayed.

joanlawson

Further to Plato; he was a pupil of Socrates, and followed many of his ideas about the nature of beauty.

Plato saw the changing physical world as a poor, decaying copy of a perfect, rational, eternal, and changeless original. The beauty of a flower, or a sunset, a piece of music or a love affair, is an imperfect copy of Beauty itself. In this world of changing appearances, while you might catch a glimpse of that ravishing perfection, it will always fade. It's just a pointer to the perfect beauty of the eternal.

For example, the most carefully drawn circle turns out to be irregular if you inspect it closely enough. Like the point, the line, and all geometric shapes. The circle is a mathematical ideal. It is not possible to draw a real circle, but only an imperfect physical copy ( or instance) of one.

If you have ever striven to achieve an ideal, you may have some sympathy with this part of Plato's philosophy :!:

joanlawson

Joan. One good exercise you can do with a sketch book is drawing just clouds. If you know about cloud formations etc. then this is a great exercise. By doing this, when you come to do your landscape and you put brush to paper you will straight away make the right strokes. This was one of the things I learnt at Flatford Mill. It was what Constable did.
My NY Resolution was to sketch at least one thing each day. so far so good.

Thanks for the advice, Joy. I will give that a try.

annie_mial

joanlawson wrote:

Further to Plato; he was a pupil of Socrates, and followed many of his ideas about the nature of beauty.

Plato saw the changing physical world as a poor, decaying copy of a perfect, rational, eternal, and changeless original. The beauty of a flower, or a sunset, a piece of music or a love affair, is an imperfect copy of Beauty itself. In this world of changing appearances, while you might catch a glimpse of that ravishing perfection, it will always fade. It's just a pointer to the perfect beauty of the eternal.

For example, the most carefully drawn circle turns out to be irregular if you inspect it closely enough. Like the point, the line, and all geometric shapes. The circle is a mathematical ideal. It is not possible to draw a real circle, but only an imperfect physical copy ( or instance) of one.

If you have ever striven to achieve an ideal, you may have some sympathy with this part of Plato's philosophy :!:

I believe that this is part of the criteria required for a religious vocation...........and it is also what makes life interesting for some, to strive knowing that they will never attain their goal.

Annie

joanlawson

Not sure how we got from art to philosophy :!: But I suppose they are inter-related :!:

annie_mial

I'm ever so philosophical tonight, Joan - I'm seeing the doctor about it on Monday!

Annie

joanlawson

Doctor, Doctor, I think I've got a bout of philosophy. What could this mean :?:

annie_mial

'Don't worry, my dear. Just give it back to Phil'

Annie

joanlawson

Best place for it :!: I think I will stick to painting pictures, or trying to, at least :!:

tkachev

HI
I googled art classes but so much info came up.It will take a lot of searching through.I just want to attend a light,friendly group without too much travelling involved.
I really hope I find one,
Elizabeth

tkachev

Hi all
I have found an art class just down the road!Mondays 2-4.I am going to wait for the weather to buck up a bit first then hopefully attend.It is bang in the middle of hometime for children but should be able to sort with help.
Elizabeth